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Age to start learning carnatic music To teach and learn Indian classical music. I am not copying individual posts from there since it is hard to peel them off out of the context of that thread. Let us talk about the topic here. The corollary of this is ‘how late is too late’.
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This can get controversial. It is an emotional topic since a lot of people who did not get a chance to learn music at a young age for various reasons believe or would like to believe that they can acquire reasonable competence and proficiency in carnatic music. Let us discuss this without too much flame.
Hearing, which is fairly useful in the pursuit of music, starts to diminish too early in life for some of us. But of course, there are even profoundly deaf musicians, such as Evelyn Glenny, and many blind ones.
I tried learning mridangam, starting at age Frankly, it was lack of discipline which stood in my way more than age and I lacked it at 14 too, I’m afraid. I don’t think there is any doubt, though, that the learning is harder as we get older, as is the simple business of moving our fingers quickly and accurately on string or drum.
We should consider how we define “learning music. However this topic is very dear to me. Some people seem to entertain the idea and subscribe to it very strongly that once you get old, you can not learn CM. In my case my interest developed fairly late while I was in my teens. I went out looking for teachers who would tell me that it is too late for me to learn CM.
This continued for many years till I met the versatile artist T V Gopalakrishnan. While chatting with him I expressed my desire to learn music and was lamenting the fact that it was too late for me since I was too old. He asked me a simple question.
He said could I talk and I said yes. Then he said you can learn music.
Encouraged by his statement I went out and started looking for teachers who would teach an elderly 50 year old male. There were very few teachers sageetham were willing to teach an old man their words. I found one, who was 15 years younger than me but was willing to teach.
I started learning at What I found was that if I had found my teacher in my teens, I could have easily become a performer. Even at this age she made me get on stage and sing.
I got good feedback and some people thought I had been learning since my childhood. She even got me to the stage of singing kalpana swarams. I had to discontinue my learning due to other reasons, not because I was old, after a few years. So when people start making statements like you can’t learn after a certain stage, I only feel they don’t know what they are talking about. Elders in my family have always told me that age is no restriction to learning.
Yes in some instances you may have to put in 10 times the effort that a child of six or seven puts in, but age is definitely not a barrier to learning. Music teachers should encourage learning rather than discourage people. Not everyone wants to perform, some want to learn for the sheer joy of learning. I agree that there is no age limit for learning music.
I started learning music only when I was in my late teens, so can’t claim to have learnt music from ‘a tender age! I think he was a disciple of Sri Umayalpuram Sivaraman. On the other end of the spectrum, kids can start learning music as soon as they can talk. They may not be up for formal lessons at that age but interest and knowledge in music can be cultivated from a very early stage. Formal lessons in vocal music can probably start when the child is 6 years.
Last edited by mohan on Sun Jul 10, They will be able to learn anything with much less effort only if they are provided with the right environment. The exception is when the child may be a prodigy or a born natural – then they pick it up from the air. Another exception is one who has absolutely no aptitude – even when provided the right environment they will not learn. As we grow older it becomes more difficult to learn, mostly because of other preoccupations and preconditions.
Irrespective of this one can make progress and learn if they have the will to do so. The success depends on how we define success, e. Such a person may just shine even at an old age.
So we cannot ever give a categorical answer to this question. It just depends on the context and personal background. Any claims either way are true in certain contexts. When I say not that I am”It is too late for you to learn music”, we should understand it as follows. For the average person, it is much easier to learn music when they are young and are provided with the right environment.
If not, it becomes more difficult and I am not able to put in the effort to work with you to bring you up to the success level I think is appropriate. Of course the assumption is that I am categorizing you as an average student which is most probably true given the bell curve distribution. I would like to also add that as we become older, we get a better grip of our own taste in music, and will gravitate towards music and musicians whom we truly like.
In a recent concert review speech, mridangam vidwan Sri BK Chandramouli remarked that our first guru is so very important, when we are asked who our guru is, we should name them first, and so on. While this is true, it is our recent current gurus who reflect our current values in music and our musical taste. The obvious decline over time is in my ability to retain what I’ve learned.
I vividly recall the kritis I studied as a year old, but have to go back to my notes to jog my memory when in comes to kritis I learned in my 30s. On the other hand, I feel my ability to appreciate complexities and nuances of music has gone up over time. My gripe is with stage performance Even a random search for any krithi on youtube throws up umpteen renditions by shady performers who want praise, but lack the intellectual honesty to realise they r ruining this great artform.
The problem with this is that the capabilities of the truly deserving ones get sidelined What Mahesh3 wrote is the absolute truth. But, truth is always bitter and, nowadays, many do not like truthfulness but hypocrisy. That is why even after the lapse of a month nobody responded to his post as most of them are either music-teachers who never want to respond to such harmful discussions or music-aspirants who do not have sufficient knowledge to discuss.
Of course, very few people are aware that, in general, controversial views only bring out the truth and the logic behind and I am writing this for them only.
As Music is a part of Saamaveda which has to be learnt from the early years of age and at the early hours of the day the music should also be learnt in the same manner. More over, among all, this is the only invisible art on the globe requiring very high level of concentration and regular practice which are abundantly available only in the kids. Unfortunately, no kids before the age of 10 years are allowed into any of the Govt.
Music-institutions or the Music Departments of the Universities on the globe. Thus, much of the true talent of many of these kids is being wasted. Our traditional Karnataka music is a system of its own kind on learh globe having some special features. According to the ancient Shloka, in music, while Shruti is of the first preference of mother and the rhythm is of the second preference of father, naturally, mother is more important to the kid to sabgeetham.
But, in our music, Shruti is given the second place and most of our musicians sing in off-shruti but eagerly expect to receive great honours, awards and titles like Sangita Kalanidhi, Padmashri, Padma Bhooshan, Padma Vibhooshan etc.
In the same manner, while the pure note has the true musical effect on the human mind and great value in any music, in our music, the pure note has the least value and, mostly, all our musicians prefer to shake all the notes including even the natural notes, Shadja and Panchama.
In the same manner, it is not that easy to manage with a minimum number of items, say four or five items only, in a 3-hour concert and it is very easy to manage with 20 or 30 items in such a concert with a little or no Ragalapana and Svarakalpana. But, in our music, the person who sings 20 to 30 items or even more in a 3-hour sangertham will only be honoured as a legend and praised. In the same manner, even in respect of teaching, all the music-teachers prefer to teach as many number of items as they can, like one-dozen Saralee-svaras, one-dozen Janta-svaras, half-a-dozen Daatu-svaras, half-a-dozen Hetchu-sthayi-svaras, half-a-dozen Taggu-sthayi-svaras, 35 Alankaras, half-a-dozen Lwarn, half-a-dozen Svara-jatis, half-a-gross 72 Varnas and more than one full gross Kritis excluding other compositions, according to the established traditional quantitative method of teaching, which increases only the abilities of memorising the items but not the true ability to manage with different Gatis or Nadais.
In which way we feed our kids with hygienic and energetic food to keep them always healthy, in the same manner, even in respect of our music, we must strive hard to give unambiguous knowledge having relevancy with the practical music to our kids.
But, most unfortunately, since many centuries, our stalwarts have very conveniently ignored to standardise some very important aspects like Shrutis, Gamakas, Talas, Pedagogy etc. In general, no candidate is allowed to study the sangeettham courses like medicine and engineering beyond 20 years of age and even the individuals after settling themselves in a job or business do not prefer to later study medicine or engineering. But, it is entirely different with music and it is very difficult to find even a single person on the globe who is not interested in learning music.
In any Lesrn while all the students are younger ones, surprisingly, only in the Department szngeetham Music, we can certainly find more elderly students than youngsters. In many of these music-institutions while the elders are very regular but learn very slowly and leisurely in a snails pace the youngsters sangretham not that regular but certainly very fast than the elders.
To avoid such complaints even the teachers are maintaining only the low standards in teaching which suit the elders and many leearn not aware that only the youngsters are put in loss by these low standards of teaching. Mostly the elders are well settled in their life and try to acquire sageetham thing else in their leisure time for their enjoyment. Most of them want to learn music and some of them even try to learn instruments but will be compelled to become stranded at one point or the other due to their inabilities.
At the sangeerham instance, they tell that they want to learn it only for their enjoyment but later they gradually resort to perform and even to teach others thinking themselves extremely well both in performing sangewtham teaching. Even some of the already employed elders, at a later period, even try to acquire a Degree in Music and switch over to the teaching job having higher salary. While the performer only performs what he can the teacher needs abundant and all-round ability in teaching which influences an entire generation itself.
But, in our country, where most of the people are eager about their rights and demands only but not the duties and responsibilities and also in the absence of any authorized leaen as a music-teacher many of the elders are resorting to teaching music increasing the impotents in music in our country.
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More over, nowadays, nobody tries to criticize the elders openly of their inefficiencies and become controversial like me. The elders can even donate or pay heavy amounts to the organizers or the media or the like even to pressurize them to arrange sanyeetham publicize their concerts irrespective of their standards.
Getting the pecuniary advantages even the teachers will also co-operate with the elders in any manner they desire.